North Dice 9m 2016 (3rd version)

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North Dice 9 meter 2016

Probably the nicest surprise of 2015 was the North Dice with it’s quick response, direct, light, wide wind range and an amazing quick depower on the bar made this truly do it all kite almost everybody’s friend. No wonder we were very curious for it’s offspring. The 2016 Dices were released in the beginning of september and luckily we were already able to get our hands on a 9 meter.

We were so excited to test the Dice 2016 we took it out the first time the wind did hit the coast. Unfortunately the wind was very light with just 16-17 knots of real on shore wind and big waves compared to the strength of the wind. So we did not expect we could take out the 9 meter, but curiosity killed the cat. Our lightest test kiter decided to give it a try and didn’t come back for at least an hour. Needless to say she liked the 2016 Dice and the kite already had an amazing low end in 2015. After she came back I could not resist to give it a try myself, 25 kilograms heavier then her, and even I could ride the kite in this light weather conditions. The low end is definitely better than last year but what more has been changed?

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the 2016 Anti Snag is added (in red/blue)

2015 versus 2016

On the riding quality of the 2015 Dice we didn’t had much to complain. The low end of the Dice 2015 was already perfect and it seems that of the 2016 model it got even better. The kite has a slightly deeper profile with bigger wingtips then before. The valve is re-done completely, this is what you feel when you screw on the cap. The bag is missing the long sleeve for the inflated struts but that is not a real big problem with such a big inflate. The three struts are now thinner which makes the kite a bit faster and it improved its jumping capabilities. Also there is a new Anti-Snag design on the tips of the leading edge to ensure the lines and bridles won’t get tangled in an crash.

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Small changes in one pump connections

On the water

We were lucky to ride the Dice 2015 for 10 months so the third generation Dice already felt very familiar with a twin tip. Very playful and dynamic when we tried it in different conditions than the first time. It challenges you to do all the tricks you want to do, direct feedback with and an improved hangtime. The power development is a bit smoother than last year, linear and very predictable with a soft increase on the bar. The 2016 Dice has three different settings instead of two like last year. The recommended setting is medium – that’s how the kite is delivered and suitable for all conditions. But if you want to do some freestyle tricks it’s better to ride it on the Hard Setting as pop and stability are key here. The average freerider, uninterested in unhooked tricks but wanting a very comfortable and easy going kite, the soft setting is the right choice.

Quad bar 2016

Split of front lines, left 2015 right 2016

Split of front lines, left 2015 right 2016

Yes, North also realized the 2015 front line split wasn’t perfect. A new split point system (metal tube) has been introduced in the 2016 North Quad bar. A question immediately rose on this system is why those two front lines join a few centimetres apart. It means the front lines are not 100% equal in length, which will create issues when ever buying new front lines. Needing a new front line on the Quad bar, means ordering it at North, with detailed description on colour and year (the 2015 front lines are the same length).

 

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The North Dice has 6 battens

Overall

After a couple of days riding the Dice 2016, 9 meter, from as little of 17 knots till well over 25 knots, and with using the Dice 2015 version it wasn’t difficult judging it’s changes. It got better, not way better, but just better. It is a bit smoother and consistence in its power delivering, while being still quick and responsive. We had difficulty passing the 9m Dice on to the next tester, as we liked it all so much. Its improvements tot 2015 are most clear in its low end. It will get you going just a knot or 2 sooner than the 2015 version. Most features (like it’s on- off feeling or quick depowering, fast response, easy kite looping (with an circle a bit smaller than average) are not noticeably different changed from 2015.

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2016 Dice 3 settings on the tip

The Dice is positioned by North next to the freestyle aimed Vegas. This might scare less experienced riders, which is a shame. The Dice really is a friendly kite if you tune it the right way. Kites which come close to the capabilities and feeling of the Dice are the Cabrinha FX (which is lighter on the bar), the Ozone Catalyst (with 25m lines a bit less responsive) and yes also the F-one Bandit 8th version (worse at low end but slightly more aggressive).

There are still some points of the Dice which are less perfect but not a direct reason not to choose for it. All though it has a superb low end, the Dice can suddenly give up and completely stall in really low winds. It is not at it’s best in gusty winds. Since it is quite a direct kite, it will let you know when it is gusty. This has improved somewhat from 2015, but it still belongs to its behaviour.

DSC_0053The silly 6 PSI advice is still there, which is kind of ridiculous as we had stated before (so pump the Dice, just as any other kite, rock solid if your not a beginner). The inflate is still, all though claimed to be improved, not as bomb proof as we have seen on many other brands (Ozone, Best etc). And last, but not least, the depower line will still wear out in a session or 30. We have seen some easy solutions, like a plastic cover and still come with an stopper ball which can move on the fly. Are these major issues? definitely not, we loved every minute using the Dice and we think 90% of the kiters out there will feel the same.DSC_0025

List Prices

North Dice 9m Kite only 1289,- Euro

North Quad bar 479,- (including safety leash)


19 comments

  1. Outstanding! Thanks so much for the review. I’ve been checking in every day to get your unbiased opinions on the new Dice. I’m replacing a 12m Bandit 7 (2014). In my opinion, 2014 was a VERY underpowered year for bandits, and I’m not thrilled at all with the low end on my 12m. Time to give North a try! Do you think I’ll be happy with the low end on the 12m Dice (2016), in comparison? Or would you recommend the 13m Dice (2016)? As for turning and looping speed, would the 12m Dice (2016) be comparable to a Bandit, or slightly quicker (as you mentioned in the 2015 Bandit/Dice comparison)? How would you expect the turning/looping speed and responsiveness of the 13m Dice (2016) to compare to the Bandit 12m?
    Thanks so much for some of the most honest and insightful kite reviews online!
    John

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    • Hi John, thanks for the compliments.
      We just have used the 9m, but we will use a 11m soon. After we have used the 11m we will let you know what we think.
      We also are going to use (and review) the Bandit 9 soon, so stay tuned for that (please like to support!)
      IF you are in hurry and want a first glance of what it will be like, than we maybe need to explain how much difference there is between a Bandit (for us we know the Bandit 8 vs Dice 2015) and that is there but it is not a huge difference; An 11m Dice 2015 is about the same in power as a Bandit 8 12m.
      Dave
      We Test Kites

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      • Liked and following on FB! Thanks for the comments. I’ll definitely try to wait to get your thoughts on the 11m Dice and the new Bandit. Any idea when to expect those (not that you can predict the wind, but at least the kites…)?
        Thanks again!
        John

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    • Hi John, from Tuesday on our autumn storms are heading for the Dutch coast. We gonna have winds up to 40 knots (so 5 or 7m winds), and later this week maybe some wind for the 11m.
      Keep you posted…and thanks for the like.
      Dave
      We Test Kites

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      • Hi Dave – Did you get a chance to get out for a ride on the 11m 2016 Dice yet? I’m still holding off on my purchase decision in hopes that I’ll get your opinion on the larger new Dice!
        Thanks in advance!
        John

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      • Yesterday I had a go with both the Bandit 9 (11m) and the Dice 11m 2016. It was a short go but my first impression is as follows:
        The 2015 and 2016 Dices are not much (or not at all) different from each other (except for the 3 settings instead of the 2 at the tip). The bandit 9 is also 11m not much different. Compared to the Dice it feels smaller (lowend is not as good) and the cloth is (still) shaking when looping or sheeting in hard with the kite. But the Bandit may feel a bit more alive.
        I would say the 10m Dice comes closest tot the Bandit 11m.
        Dave
        We Test Kites

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      • Dave,
        Excellent! Thanks so much for the comparison between the two 11m kites. One last thing – you mentioned in the 2015 Dice/Bandit comparison that the Dice was definitely faster and quicker than the Bandit. I assume you are referring mostly to turning speed? Would you still say that is true of the 2016 11m versions of these 2 kites? Just threw me off a bit when you said the Bandit may feel a bit more alive….
        Thanks so much!
        John

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      • Hi John, yes I was speaking of the turning speed. I understand your question. See it as the Bandit has a bit more rough edges. That is what I mean with ‘more alive’. I need to ride the Bandit 2016 more to fully come back on it.
        Dave

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  2. Nice review! You mention that the new dice has a “deeper” profile – does this influence where the kite is positioned in the window? In other words, does it also sit deeper in the window than the 2015 Dice? Basically what I am asking is if there is a difference in upwind ability between the 2015 and the 2016 🙂

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  3. Hi Strekke, Thanks for the compliment!.
    Yes North claims it is changed, but we haven’t noticed a clear difference. We will try to focus on it later, and get back on it, okay?
    Dave
    We Test Kites

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    • OK great, thanks! Maybe also comment on the wave-aspects of the kite? Compare drifting abilities 2015-1016? Thanks!

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  5. hi, i ride on a lagoon, usually with wind gusty wind. i like to do unhook tricks i´m no advanced but i m improving. I´d like to know what s best kite to choose, vegas or dice? thanks!!

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    • Hi Matu,
      This is a good question; if you are young and (a bit athletic), don’t mind harder beatings and are getting into competitions the Vegas is the choice.
      The Dice would be the choice if you want quicker depower and a bit less punishments. It probably also means you need lees kites with Dices. (but do set in on the tip at Hard settings).
      Hope this helps.
      Dave
      We Test Kites
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  6. Hi,

    Some shop dealers around me claim that the Dice 2016 is almost the same than the 2015 one and the power has not changed ! Do you have a noticeable change in lowend power ? How is the lowend power comparing with a bandit 2015 ?

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    • Hi Marc, they could be right. 2016 large sizes are not much different as those of 2015. In the smaller ones we did find a small difference in the 2016 to 2015. The low end of the 2016 compared to the Bandit 2015 is like one meter more. So a Bandit 12m is like a Dice 11m.
      Hope this helps?
      Dave
      We test kites

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